× By JavaScript is disabled. My rifle doesn't do well well with round nose but semi wadcutter is nice and smooth especially in 357. Share Followers 0. The flat shape of the nose is the primary feature of the wadcutter. It looks like a flying 55 gallon drum. A forum community dedicated to all 1911 firearm owners and enthusiasts. BrianEnos.com The most basic full metal jacket bullet is lead coated in copper. The full jacket is made for ogival-type bullets (no shoulder). However, if I could get a much better pricing deal on LRN, I wouldn't hesitate to grab them of LSWC. They take many different forms depending on the manufacturer, but they basically look like a short cylinder with a smaller cylinder sitting on top, which can be angled inward. Many thi… Arthritis in wrists. Round nose and hollow-point bullets create a ragged hole with torn lines. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! I like lswc I've been casting a lot of lyman # 452630 lately. I am using ACME's 230 no groove coated RN's with 3.9 of Ramshot Competition loaded to 1.250 OAL. If you want to stay with 200gr, switch to truncated cone bullets for better feeding. Refine by Bullet Style: Lead Semi-Wadcutter Hollow Point Lead Wadcutter. For decades the .45 ACP performed admirably with nothing more than a FMJ—a round that does not expand at all and is certainly inferior to a good semi-wadcutter. Upload or insert images from URL. It cuts a clean, round bullet hole on paper, easy to score. I try to stay away from the mess I used to get with a variety of bare lead bullets. Thus, you have a huge, clean wound channel. The 41 magnum (semi … Photo by D.R. Some autoloaders may benefit from this design. 38 Special Factory 158gr Lead Semi-Wadcutter or Lead Round Nose For Distinguished Revolver. I had a 19-5 S & W and tried some reloaded wadcutters I had bought from master cast. Wadcutters are designed to make nice, round holes in targets for ease of scoring. Makes about 170 power factor. The wadcutter magazine is an excellent design…for what it was designed for.   You cannot paste images directly. Lead Semi-Wadcutter Hollow Point. Joined: Oct 28, 2007 Messages: 104. In my experience LSWC has always been more accurate. But, there are other considerations:  the crimp, OAL, etc. Hawkeye: Joined: Sun Apr 10, 2005 7:01 am Posts: 8068 Location: Texas Kevin wrote: DGW1949. A wadcutter, on the other hand, because of the flat front and hard right angle, it does to soft tissue kind of what it does to paper — it punches a sharp hole that’s a lot more disruptive than a round nose. If you're having trouble with the SWC's feeding, RN's should definitely help. In general, semi-wadcutters having a partially rounded nose are more accurate than wadcutters having a flat-front profile. Tiro Fijo said:.38 SWC and Keith SWC are NOT the same. The only problem with this wadcutter vs round nose is most wadcutter loads are light on powder charge. I use a Bear Creek 200gr RNHB over 5gr of Titegroup. As you can see in the photo below, there is a dramatic difference in the size and shape of the holes that the .38 Special wadcutter bullets make in a paper target compared to a regular round nose full metal jacket round. Note: a good L-SWC is about the MOST accurate bullet you will find. T. 1.250" seems to be the most popular length. This round is not in any category above, but is a very effective round for self-defense. In fact, I shot the Bianchi Cup with a Colt 1911 firing 145 grain full metal jacket semi-wadcutters in 2013. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. easier to make PF? Before there was Polymer there was Accuracy. I also have used 3.8 n310 behind the same bullet. depends. Clear editor. Anecdotal evidence and testimony indicates that the police officers in New York City who were issued semi-wadcutters generally had a more favorable impression of their ammo performance than the officers in Los Angeles who were issued round nose lead bullets. My Detonics still managed to chamber them OK. Blue Bullets or Gallant, 1.250" CCI primer and 3.9 grains of Clays makes 172 power factor in my 5" springfield 1911. When used for a semi-wadcutter style, the full jacket makes only the heaviest weights. I will be using Unique powder and working up some loads as soon as my dies get here. The 1911 Magazine Design: The Wadcutter Magazine. Though full wadcutter bullets are often unreliable in semi-automatic pistols, semi-wadcutter bullets usually work much better.   Your previous content has been restored. I had a great conversation with a ballistic engineer at a boutique bullet company, which specializes in round nose and semi-spitzer bullets. Can't help on WST as I haven't used it for a long, long time. Many people sense that I have nothing but disdain for the “Wadcutter” type magazine. I tend to load LSWC because they seem to shoot a little tighter. March 12, 2018 in 44/45 Caliber. Page 2 of 2 [ 18 posts ] Go to page Previous 1, 2 Previous topic | Next topic : Author Message; DGW1949 Post subject: Re: Bullet shape: Round nose vs semi wad cutter. Normally wad cutters are loaded a bit softer and are easier to shoot due to the lower recoil and blast. I never been able to get SWC to feed reliabily in my 1911. Every company has their own manufacturer that does things their own way, which results in a number of different name brands and ammo lines to choose from. I've used both and had no issues with either. Semi Wadcutter vs Round Nose Semi Wadcutter vs Round Nose. I have about 2k of Rainier 200WC and 1500 185 HP that I want to retry again along with 5K of 185WC lead left over from bullseye shooting and some various 10 to 12lb recoil springs.I do run at times 200rn Rainier jacketed and no issues. Please be prepared for possible delivery delays.. We strive to ship your order within 2 business days but have been seeing delivery delays in some areas that we can not control. I fell in love with lswc's so long ago I don't even remember what a roundnose looks like. The wad cutter or semi-wad cutter cut a cleaner hole which is easier to see and score. Powered by Invision Community, I have no concerns about sounding like an idiot, Proud member of the 1924 US Olympic Hockey Team. is there a difference in inherent accuracy? Comes to .45acp and you have to deal with magazines and feeding issues. It was earth-shattering in 1898, when invented, but even before WWII we knew better. Clays and 231 have both worked well for me. by JayhawkNavy02 on Thu May 11, 2017 8:30 pm. 30,377 Posts #21 • Apr 11, 2014. Types of firearm wadcutters. Both poly coated. Semi-Wadcutters Bullet jacket lengths are relative to the lead coverage on typical pistol bullets. Both loads had Uniquie powder. A round nose with a flat point (RNFP) is intended for lever guns or other guns with a tubular magazine. Bullseye shooters also use semi-wadcutters in semi-automatic pistols. The semi-jacketed soft point (SJSP) is another hollow point alternative bullet – with an exposed lead soft point that gives very reliable expansion on impact, along with deeper penetration than your average hollow point.. You can usually find the semi-jacketed soft point with a copper jacket of various lengths and thickness to go with a lead core. Refine by Bullet Style: Plastic Training Bullet Semi-Spitzer Soft Point. or a hollowpoint which fails to expand. In contrast, flat-front profile wadcutters tend to have …   Your link has been automatically embedded. Round Nose Design = Cast Bullets’ Bad Reputation. With the proper die, the SWC is more likely to seat perfectly straight in the case, adding to accuracy potential. Yes, I know, for most reliable feeding I should just stay with RN or TC... And for that matter, how many grains of WST to stay comfortably in Major PF? A good FMJ-RN is often the most inaccurate bullet you will find. I had issues with the 200swc feeding reliably, switched to the 230rn and haven't had any more issues. However, check whatever you choose in your magazines (all of them) and chamber before you load more than a few. Wadcutters can clearly cut the line of a higher scoring ring and in a sport where matches are won or lost by a single point, this matters. Moderators: flatgate, Moderators. Refine by Product Family: DeepCurl Handgun Hunting I'd love to use SWC but they don't want to cycle (reliably) in my Large Frame EAA Witness. As with any ammo type, where you get it affects its materials and how it’s made. Gman  i had the same issues with one of my Baers , but just recently switched to 185 zero bullets  in the cast swc  the 185 jacketed hollow points and 185 SWCHP some far no issues. Round Nose vs Semi Wadcutter -- accuracy Reloading Bench. Flat nosed bullets are surprisingly good penetrators, and they tend to make a bigger hole as well. Refine by Bullet Style: Lead Semi-Wadcutter Hollow Point Lead Wadcutter. Paul tests the effectiveness of semi wadcutter hollow points. Semi-Wadcutter (SWC) The semi-wadcutter is a variation on the wadcutter. I don't have any problems with round nose or hollow point of any flavor. First topic message reminder : Looking to start on Distinguished Revolver ( DR ) and not seeking to reload initially due to time/distance to Nationals. And this can change its effectiveness in some calibers like the .38 special but believe me it wont matter at close range with a .357 magnum on a bad guy. Swc and clays hard to beat. The 3/4-jacket covers nearly the entire shank, leaving the nose exposed. Where to find brands like Atomic, Axxess, Buffalo Bore, Federal, Fiocchi, Great Lakes, HSM, Jamison Ammo, Magtech, PPU Prvi Partizan, and Remington. jwilkinson6, From my .38spl experience, the hollow base wadcutter bullet easily gave excellent accuracy, no doubt about it. I don't buy LRN any longer (still have some) and all i use is LSWC. Keith-Style SWC with one crimping groove and one filled lubrication groove. Full wadcutters frequently have problems feeding from magazines reliably in semi-automatics, so SWCs … wadcutter vs. semi-wadcutter. However as a couple other members pointed out I've switched over to the RNFP in 200gr. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Obviously the general consensus is that anything is more accurate than a common round nose bullet. First off, is there a difference in accuracy, feed reliability, or anything else in shooting a round nose verses a Semi wad (both of these in lead like betterbullets.com) Also, is there any real difference in shooting lead versus shooting plated FMJ? I don't have any problems with round nose or hollow point of any flavor. I am new to 1911 pistols, but not new to loading ammo. Free shipping over $20, new in box. In practice, the bullet can be crimped over the leading band, or on the crimping groove, as desired. 230gn twists and hurts. 168.84 PF and a nice shooting load. The 41 was 210 grain semi wad cutter and the 45 was 250 round nose. Since there's no lube ring on these coated ones, they can be loaded to longer OALs - does anyone have a recommendation on OAL for best feeding/chambering? Another installment of .32 H&R Mag VS .38 Special in snub nose revolvers and today I have the Federal Lead Semi-Wadcutter ammunition. Are they feeding more consistently than SWCs? Jacketed work fine. Display as a link instead, × I assume you are talking Handguns. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. Brinell hardness of 17 — round-nose semi-wadcutter. . 148 gn. If your gun will feed them, I think they're the better choice. First off, is there a difference in accuracy, feed reliability, or anything else in shooting a round nose verses a Semi wad (both of these in lead like betterbullets.com) Also, is there any real difference in shooting lead versus shooting plated FMJ? Think about the 38special full wadcutter. These 230-grain projectiles are then loaded to an average chamber pressure of about 21,000 psi, at a nominal muzzle velocity of between 800 and 900 fps. Which bullets/loads are you guys using to make major in your single stack guns? I'm about to start back up with the H&G68 coated SWC rounds, after a long time with 230gr RN. There is a difference. Corbin, of .452 Bullets. Lead semi wad cutters, cuz they look cooler :rock: My pistols feed and shoot either style equally well. Meanwhile, it is well know in 45acp that the H&G #68 200 grain (and similar cast lead bullets in 185 grain) also win championships. A semi wadcutter has a stepped shoulder for cutting nice clean holes in paper. Someone mentioned handloading a HBWC backwards. With the .45 Colt for … In my experience, accuracy is about the same. Maybe you just like to go out on a weekend and shoot the “Guns that Won the West” or that your favorite TV and movie cowboy heroes toted. They all were very accurate as opposed to what I had shot before which were hollow … So why do folks use SWC … Semi-Wadcutter Shapes Wadcutter Shapes Button Nose has a slight nose, Target Wadcutter has a depressed ring and is flat across. 200gn is a pleasure all day long. Where a rounded tip would slide through a target, the flat tip (“meplat”) punches a big hole. If extremely well made, a premium bullet in any profile can be good. This bullet has a cylindrical body with a shoulder, and a flat point on the tip. 200 vs 230 is the same thoughts as 125 vs147 in 9mm. Internet buzz suggested this load may be a good candidate for personal defense because the bullet has a flat nose and sharp shoulders. A semiwadcutter (SWC) or flat-nose is a type of all-purpose bullet commonly used in revolvers. Re: 38 Special Factory 158gr Lead Semi-Wadcutter or Lead Round Nose For Distinguished Revolver by Chris Miceli on 5/12/2017, 8:12 am jglenn21 wrote: My 14-2 love the Remington target.. even the SWC but it has an 11 degree throat in it so that may have an affect.. The wound channel might be .357, but the edges will close over. Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next > Jamesmb Member. Therefore I need to pick up some factory ammunition to take to Perry. 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